MPDS and Interview Prep
Brendan and I attended an IMechE industry contacts seminar in Aberdeen yesterday and it was predominantly about the Monitored Professional Development Scheme (MPDS) but it finished with a presentation from one of the interviewers for CPR in Aberdeen.
The bottom line is it has made me feel much more confident about going for CPR later this year.
This is most useful to those going for CPR with the IMechE and also PEW as an organisation. However, I hope that there are a few useful snippets for everyone.
I will describe the key agenda points and the important points as I see them.
Agenda
Introduction – no synopsis required and the only key point is that the IMechE website now has an ‘on demand’ facility that allows access to lots of online videos of conferences and seminars from around the world.
Tips for preparing for an MPDS accreditation visit – The title is self-explanatory so I will just go into some of the key points:
- PEW is not suited to the MPDS at all. It takes a minimum of four years to complete the scheme and it is aimed at new engineers joining a company. It is absolutely the right thing to continue with the standard application form approach and students on PEW should not be completing MPDS online.
- Over inflated scores of competencies is not helpful – to have a 3/3 across the board when you clearly haven’t reached that level is a red flag. Should the candidate then fail CPR it is difficult to re-rate and develop. Mentors should scrutinise competency ratings and pick them up prior to exposing to the IMechE.
- Media attention. There should be more of a big deal made of those successful at CPR, both for the applicant and the mentor. Many companies employ a financial incentive but this would not work for PEW. However, increased media coverage may be helpful and is something that could be developed. The key part is that there needs to be more of a celebration of achievement.
- A good thing to put in your E competency on the application is that you are a volunteer to be a mentor. The IMechE are short of mentors and the panel look favourably upon this.
Running and MPDS scheme – This was from the perspective of the Royal Dutch Shell MPDS scheme administrator. Most of his points were not relevant to PEW but it was clear how much effort these other companies invest in CPD for their employees. He suggested that mentors should not have the same background as the candidate so it forces the candidate to explain things properly and it is also beneficial for the mentor to read about different subject matter. I appreciate that this would be difficult for PEW.
Professional review interview – This is where the real gems were. It was a presentation from David Baker who is a panel interviewer for those taking CPR in Aberdeen.
- The application. It is competence based so do not just list a career history but describe how you have achieved the competence.
- During the interview he expected the applicant to do 75% of the talking.
- Interview lasts 45 minutes:
Introduction 2 minutes
A, B, C and D competencies 20 – 25 minutes
E competency 8 minutes
DAP 5 minutes
Closing comments 2 minutes
- He went into more detail for competence E. You should cover the following:
Code of conduct. Read it and equate it to your organisations code of conduct.
Examples of continuous improvement. For example, this could be new technology that you have implemented or a new maintenance regime you’ve instigated.
Environmental responsibilities. This could be considering HSE aspects.
Continuous CPD. Annual appraisals, courses you’ve been on etc
Promote engineering. Primary engineer for example.
Ethical manner. You won’t need to provide evidence of this competency until 1 Jan 16 but it could be useful to do so. Mark Hill (hobbit108) posted a useful piece on this in an earlier blog.
- Talk about things as “I did this” not “We did this”
- The sponsor is key to scrutinising paperwork, we get this after AER6.
- There should be mock interviews. I know the civils have this but I’m not sure how formal it is for the E&M students. I know that Imran very kindly offered to come back and run them for our course before he left and I will be chasing him to make good on that promise.
- Take in photos or calculations that you can talk about, especially if you’re the type to get nervous in interviews.
- You need to have three out of the five competencies graded at 3/3, with the other two at 2/3.
Key challenges to passing CPR:
Not providing evidence of A + B competence
Not being able to talk about the detail of what was in the application.
Another thing that I took from this is that PET students are different to the normal CPR candidate. They tend to be more discipline based with much less management experience.
From a personal perspective, I feel that my previous military experience plus phase 1 and my experience at BP has certainly given me 3/3 in C, D and E. I think I am on my way to a 3/3 with the A competency and I will be okay reaching a 2/3 with the B.
I also think that the role of mentor is very important. For those of us going to Staff College it could be a useful way of maintaining the CEng flame. I for one would be willing to look over someone’s application, their competency record as they build it up and if I’m available I would help run a mock interview next year.
Nick,
Thank you for the information. On the C side we operate a registered training scheme with agreed compressed time scales. We mentor and provide mock reviews from the professional engineer resource within the wing and the logical expectation would be that the E&M side would do likewise. The effect of the increase in developing engineer numbers might stretch resources such that we may need to ask the wider professional membership of the Corps to meet their obligation to assist the development of others and join us to help with mock reviews etc.
I don’t think it would be fair on you or others to expect you to find time on ICSC to devote to mentoring others. You would be torn between two missions, one for developing yourself and the other from a commitment to others. You would not have the time to do both to the standards you would set yourself and so would need to choose who should suffer. Thos who are working in ‘normal’ day jobs after ICSC however might well be a resource that should be mobilised and that is under review even now.
Most intersting of all of this might perhaps be how PQEs are (t)asked to assist. It strikes me that it should not be through any military command chain becaise it is not an operational tasking but a professional obligation and, as such, this is something outwith the day job (we don’t get paid for our mentoring efforts!). Logically it would therfore be a request from the organiser of professional development on behalf of the ‘company’ (Corps), which is Neil P. at the direction of the CI, directly to an individual member of a professional body.
Also of interst is the route you take to review, which is akin to the ICE career appraisal route and an option we might need to consider perhaps if our present tribulations with an ICE move to rigid online systems proves unsuccessful.
Nick
Thanks for the synopsis, you’re correct the E&M course is not suited to MPDS, not only is the process quite restrictive it is not pitched at the right level for the PET course; you already bring lots of competencies to the party and the key is often, again as you highlight, only to fill out competencies A&B, bolster C and make you aware of how much of D&E you already do at an advanced level.
I think your idea of those that have sat through PRI recently providing support for mock interviews is an excellent one – it provides an up to date view of what actually happens in the room and also helps forge links between the RSME and the PQE community. I’d like to see that in preference, the IMechE regularly review how the application process and PRI is conducted and a fresh view of the experience will keep our success rate where it is.
Thanks for the heads up!
Mark and Richard,
Thanks for replying. I appreciate that there will be varying degrees to which people can help mentor once they have left PEW but this is not a reason to discount early and you’re right that this should be on a volunteer basis. All I was saying is that students who have recently been through CPR are well placed to help those preparing next time.
One other thing that’s occurred to me is that our PEW reports could mention something about behaving in an ethical manner. This would be one form of evidence for the new E5 competency, where it will be mandatory for candidates to provide evidence from Jan 16.
Do you have any thoughts on the media side for celebrating success at CPR? Te obvious one is Sapper Mag.
Nothing discounted Nick, in fact I guess that ICSC would be over and done as phased1 rolls through so mentoring phase 2/3 might well be an option. Similarly if 2ic STRE is post course destiny then mentoring after six months in post would be a very useful perspective to bring.
Thought on promoting success – If you don’t go for presentation in London your certificate arrives in the post. I’d like to see presentation of a CEng tie to successful candidates, which might make for a photo oportunity. Challenge is disparate locations at time of confirmation of success. This would probably call for individual stories or some form of collated collage rather than a single press item. If, as is hoped, the Tech update for Clk Wks returns to its old format as the Military Engineering Services Confernce we will see all of the tech offr and soldier cohort of the Corps back in Brompton at the end of October, which might provide an ideal setting…
Nick,
Interesting stuff as we venture out onto Phase 2 with thoughts of ‘the end state’ in mind. I think the mentoring by past students idea is a good one and starting straight away reminds the new mentor that they have to keep up their own CPD; indeed that will form part of it.
Henry