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Chartered – Tick VG

Nothing significant to report from site, where there is a bit of a hiatus as paperwork catches up to progress and the design office where I am writing up results of surveys. However in the sidelines I am now Chartered, as a manager. So I thought it worthy of a blog.

For those who haven’t seen 2014DIN07-093, here it is hosted from the Chartered Management Institute (CMI) website.

http://www.managers.org.uk/~/media/Angela%20Media%20Library/pdfs/Armed%20forces/Defence%20Instructions%20and%20Notices%202014DIN07-093v3.pdf

The offer runs out in April 2016, though new direction may/may have come out. This DIN allows you to apply for a qualification from either the CMI or the Institute of Leadership and Management (ILM). I elected for a level 5 certificate in Management and Leadership from the CMI, which came with a year’s free membership. I elected to go with the CMI qualification as it led towards Chartering through the CMI’s fast track route and I thought that this would be a good way of demonstrating management capability in the future. Clearly I am now on the hook for both future management CPD and further professional fees, but at present I see it as complimentary to my engineering development. It also provides another independent verification on elements of competencies C – E.

I have to say the application process underwhelmed me; I put a couple of evenings into my 1200 word application form and was told I would be informed within 10 days. This turned out to be less than 24 hours which either says there was a super fast-track approval system where they see the words ‘Army Captain’ and reached for the ‘Tick VG’ stamp. When comparing the system to Chartering as an Engineer the two biggest differences are:

  • Education: A level 5 certificate is clearly significantly lower than a Masters degree. This is true in volume when one considers finishing phase 1 of PET would count as a certificate. It is also true in level of thinking, with a Masters sitting at level 7 in the NVQ scale; I’m sure everyone is familiar with the term ‘Masters level learning’ by now…
  • Application and interview. Whether it is the 1,000 words for the CMI, 3,000 for IMechE or 6,000+ for the ICE the form is about demonstrating applying theory into practice, experience and lying about keeping up a CPD record. The interview though I think is very different though, because of the lying piece. I spent a bit of time putting together my application but without seeing me how can the CMI verify it was me that wrote the application form or even did the work. It makes it difficult to maintain a standard.

I have not looked into any other industries to see what their requirements are but I think, unlike George Orwell’s animals, all Charters weren’t created equal. To track back to engineering the American equivalent of CEng is P.E., simply Professional Engineer. This is considered a licence and like most professional licences is administered at State level. The prerequisites are a Batchelor’s Degree and 4 years of experience. Then you are able to take the PE exam, this is a 4-hour morning paper followed by the same in the afternoon. This appears to have scarred the people in my office to an equivalent degree to Ex Longreach or Worst Encounter as it often pops up in conversation. So as far as comparing the UK and US approaches they appear equivalent to me as I think, without seeing a copy of the paper, that it will be at ‘Master’s Level’. That said, I would say that the PET course has caused me to be far more analytical as a result of writing TMRs and AERs, something I wouldn’t have got from a big exam.

Conscious that I haven’t given Mike any pictures yet, one thing that is better over here is you can buy a PE bumper sticker:

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If you want one get your bids in…

In other news, don’t go to New York City in December, it is full of people. As you can see below even Picasso’s goat is unimpressed with the crowds.IMG_4445

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  1. Richard Farmer's avatar
    Richard Farmer
    15/12/2015 at 8:46 am

    It’s amazing what you can cut off the side of a cereal packet. Fellow of the Higher Education Academy is very similar although at least there is a need to have done some verified relevant study for it! Does anybody actually buy and use the bumper stickers?

    • 15/12/2015 at 1:41 pm

      I still think it is worthy recognition and commitment to a professional standard. I’ve never seen a PE bumper sticker actually on a car, I just noticed ot on the NSPE website when I was checking the PE requirements. I imagine their merchandise flies off the shelf at the same rate as that of the UK Institutions’!

      • 15/12/2015 at 10:53 pm

        Henry, Have you developed or learnt anything from becoming Chartered with the CMI, or is it the wider recognition piece you were after. Was there some reflection or aspect of improving communication skills for example in the 1200 words?
        Are you tempted to progress within the APM route?

  2. Rich Garthwaite's avatar
    Rich Garthwaite
    16/12/2015 at 9:46 am

    Henry,

    Does the IMechE website say anything about recognising these types of qualification to help with proving C to E?

  3. 16/12/2015 at 1:44 pm

    Damo, I wouldn’t say I have learnt anything in particular; I was after the wider recognition.
    Also, I wouldn’t be adverse to further learning and this gives a benchmark to start from. I haven’t researched APM, but it might be something I’d look into dependant on future roles; I’m not sure if project management is as relevant to some Army jobs as some peoples’ LinkedIn profiles would have you believe.

    Rich, It certainly doesn’t chop of a big piece of the application form or anything like that. Rather I think it is a way of independently validating my earlier Army experience to blend into the application form or discuss in the interview.

  4. 16/12/2015 at 2:16 pm

    Henry, firstly well done. Regardless of the level of input required you’ve gained recognition for what you do, an interesting exercise would be to compare what you have had to do, through an agreement with the CMI, with what your civilian counterpart would have to achieve to get to the same point – a good example is look at the requirements for GCGI or MCGI (on the City and Guilds Website) and compare them against the senior awards scheme you would be eligible for whilst serving (says M Hill GCGI!!!)

    Gaining that registration level will help consolidate your experience in your application as you highlight, it probably wont go a lot of the way to C-D because the PRI panel members will be looking for specific examples of those competencies – reviewers have to provide these examples to satisfy the EngC, PRI application process and Institution QA so would not be allowed to write “is a Chartered Manager” as evidence in your review paperwork. Where this could be useful evidence is in demonstarting a key element of competence E – commitment to professional standards.

    • 18/12/2015 at 3:19 pm

      Mark,

      Thanks for that. I have had a browse of the City and Guilds website too. I will craft something into the CPR paperwork without overstating it. As you say the only point where it is relevent to tangible experience is in the application of professional standards. The process of writing the CMI application form will have some cross over too though.

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